you can use a screwdriver for the hole. also if you have 3Q gateway you can use slider for DCC comfort range
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DCC Retrofit
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Cuzoe
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3Q0 gateway, DCC module flash... anything else needed?
Just 3Q gateway and correct dataset
jamstonmartames
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Specifically an Arteon flash or a golf one works too if you've got 3q gateway?
GT15JCG
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Humour my mad idea for a second, I'm non dcc and in the market for a electronic depending suspension kit.
Looked at some bilstein b16 ride control but I'm quickly realising that i'll barely get any use out of them (daily driver/one track day), found a deal on some b16 off a golf r for £800 (i have a gti) I've heard they fit but spring rate is different cus of the rear diff weight on the R.
My question is would it be possible to hard wire factory dcc suspension w/ lowering springs to a button or buttons as a cheaper option, I'm not bothered about retrofiting it to the cars drive mode settings.
Just looking for some lows and comfort adjustability on the cheap.
Thanks
Looked at some bilstein b16 ride control but I'm quickly realising that i'll barely get any use out of them (daily driver/one track day), found a deal on some b16 off a golf r for £800 (i have a gti) I've heard they fit but spring rate is different cus of the rear diff weight on the R.
My question is would it be possible to hard wire factory dcc suspension w/ lowering springs to a button or buttons as a cheaper option, I'm not bothered about retrofiting it to the cars drive mode settings.
Just looking for some lows and comfort adjustability on the cheap.
Thanks
jamstonmartames
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- GOLF 7.5
2 scenarios, possibly 3.Humour my mad idea for a second, I'm non dcc and in the market for a electronic depending suspension kit.
Looked at some bilstein b16 ride control but I'm quickly realising that i'll barely get any use out of them (daily driver/one track day), found a deal on some b16 off a golf r for £800 (i have a gti) I've heard they fit but spring rate is different cus of the rear diff weight on the R.
My question is would it be possible to hard wire factory dcc suspension w/ lowering springs to a button or buttons as a cheaper option, I'm not bothered about retrofiting it to the cars drive mode settings.
Just looking for some lows and comfort adjustability on the cheap.
Thanks
The B16's you're looking at are plug and play for DCC.
You'd need some form of control module if you wanted adjustability from the comfort of being in your seat (as oppose to getting under the car and turning the notches on all four shocks) eg the dcc control unit found in a golf + accelerometers + levelling sensors (x3) or x2 if you have xenons and a lot of wiring + coding time.
The B16's aren't plug and play
Then you can't use these for a DCC setup.
The b16's are plug and play, you've decided you're brave and you still want a magic button.
You can repurpose reserved button functionality in 09. Central Electrics ->Button in Center Console->Function of Button [X]->Driving Program or Valet Mode or 10-15 not defined.
jamstonmartames
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AFAIK there's only two b16 part numbers: one for dcc and one without. awd/fwd share the same parts/spring rates.Humour my mad idea for a second, I'm non dcc and in the market for a electronic depending suspension kit.
Looked at some bilstein b16 ride control but I'm quickly realising that i'll barely get any use out of them (daily driver/one track day), found a deal on some b16 off a golf r for £800 (i have a gti) I've heard they fit but spring rate is different cus of the rear diff weight on the R.
My question is would it be possible to hard wire factory dcc suspension w/ lowering springs to a button or buttons as a cheaper option, I'm not bothered about retrofiting it to the cars drive mode settings.
Just looking for some lows and comfort adjustability on the cheap.
Thanks
original firmware works good you don't need anything else, just it needs correct data and configuration.
i have it but i will not share, if you want i can flash it.
just a tip; don't flash it, use original firmware.
Cuzoe
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On topic since we're talking flashed/data... I've got the slider showing in the Individual profile. It works (or at least it works enough that sliding it all the way left past comfort is soft and all the way right past sport is stiff, I haven't really tried the intermediate ones honestly). But in my other profiles, Eco, Comfort, Normal, Sport DCC is only set to something stuff, although it shows different settings if I hit the info button.
It seems to me this is an FPA dataset issue. I'm digging through that using @Chillout's template while also preoccupied with other things. But my DCC module is index B. From what I had read index C was required for the slider to work. Is that not accurate?
Obviously I love the slider but I'd rather have the different modes working. Might a flash to Index C solve my current issue?
Tangentially, I've got what also may be an FPA dataset issue with the soundaktor. It shows "comfort" in the info screen of every driving mode. But in the settings of Individual while it shows comfort it has an empty selection box. So I'm not able to try normal/sport.
My car, having not come with soundaktor has custom A9 firmware but the only customization was to get rid of the VIN/Engine type mask that previously generated an error in the module. I currently have no faults and the output test works. I'm not really sure it's even doing anything set to comfort, but I guess it should be subtle.
It seems to me this is an FPA dataset issue. I'm digging through that using @Chillout's template while also preoccupied with other things. But my DCC module is index B. From what I had read index C was required for the slider to work. Is that not accurate?
Obviously I love the slider but I'd rather have the different modes working. Might a flash to Index C solve my current issue?
Tangentially, I've got what also may be an FPA dataset issue with the soundaktor. It shows "comfort" in the info screen of every driving mode. But in the settings of Individual while it shows comfort it has an empty selection box. So I'm not able to try normal/sport.
My car, having not come with soundaktor has custom A9 firmware but the only customization was to get rid of the VIN/Engine type mask that previously generated an error in the module. I currently have no faults and the output test works. I'm not really sure it's even doing anything set to comfort, but I guess it should be subtle.
jamstonmartames
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@Chillout is a bit of a legend with these things. In order to use the template, do you need to export your own xml parameters from the gateway to decipher what is missing or do you just use a template from elsewhere?
jamstonmartames
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Is that because sharing isn't permitted on here? I've got ODIS if that's what you were thinking was the hurdle?
Also, do you know if v0130 is the normal arteon DCC or the DCC R as per this link?
https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/dynamic-chassis-control-dcc-3949
"The most advanced Dynamic Chassis Control (DCC) system currently available is installed on the Arteon. The system is available in two variants, the standard version with a specially balanced blend of driving comfort and dynamics, and a sports version, the DCC R. Although it also offers high levels of comfort, the balance of the sports version has been shifted slightly towards sporty performance. Both versions allow the adaptive dampers to be controlled via conventional driving profile selection (Comfort, Normal and Sport) and, for the first time, with infinitely variable settings over an extended range using a slide control in the individual setting menu (Comfort+ to Sport+)"
GT15JCG
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My assumption was the b16 ride control was a aftermarket solution for the people without dcc, but it makes alot of sense that it they would be a plug and play kit for cars that already have it.
Would i not just be able to run a few wires to the factory dcc plug on the shock with a few switches.
Surely the module is just used for the level sensors and to communicate with the radio and the suspension unless i'm underestimating what the module does.
I'm not look to have the adjustment through the module or the "mode" button, I'd be happy with having a few buttons in the cup holder or centre console something similar to the b16 ride control button. Im no electrician by any means but surely all the module is sending is a power signal that changes the stiffness of the dampers, that could easily be replaced with a few wires and buttons.
*Sounds like some hack sh*t but if it worked
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Cuzoe
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The B16 ride control is, from what I can tell, essentially aftermarket DCC for any car.
You are indeed underestimating what the DCC module does. The DCC module, via values in the FPA (driving profile) dataset, determines how much voltage to apply to each of the dampers based on level sensor input and accelerometer data. The applied voltage is not static.
The different modes essentially set a base voltage/range within which the dampers will adjust. Vehicle speed is also taken into account. DCC is constantly controlling compression and rebound, regardless of the selected mode. For example, even in comfort a damper that's under compression and near it's compression limit will be stiff. Which is why ride quality is compromised when people install lowering springs on a DCC equipped car without running basic settings.
If the system was simply a static voltage application this wouldn't be the case. You could use VCDS and look at the measuring values and see if there is a specific voltage applied in each drive mode when at rest. Then you could wire up a switch/pot setup to apply said voltage. But I would bet a lot of money you will have a better ride if you just pick up manually adjustable dampers.
You are indeed underestimating what the DCC module does. The DCC module, via values in the FPA (driving profile) dataset, determines how much voltage to apply to each of the dampers based on level sensor input and accelerometer data. The applied voltage is not static.
The different modes essentially set a base voltage/range within which the dampers will adjust. Vehicle speed is also taken into account. DCC is constantly controlling compression and rebound, regardless of the selected mode. For example, even in comfort a damper that's under compression and near it's compression limit will be stiff. Which is why ride quality is compromised when people install lowering springs on a DCC equipped car without running basic settings.
If the system was simply a static voltage application this wouldn't be the case. You could use VCDS and look at the measuring values and see if there is a specific voltage applied in each drive mode when at rest. Then you could wire up a switch/pot setup to apply said voltage. But I would bet a lot of money you will have a better ride if you just pick up manually adjustable dampers.
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GT15JCG
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A switch with variable voltage can be easily done, if i was to install the shocks and left them unplugged would they be left on it's last setting or would it reset to a default setting?
Id essentially use the shocks like the mk6 shocks that have set modes just on a button rather than bother with the level controls and shizz
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