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Striking Oil: Mishimoto’s VW GTI MK7 Oil Catch Can Development

Mishimoto1

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We Struck Oil: Volkswagen MK7 GTI Oil Catch Can R&D, Part 1: Stock System Review

Oil catch cans are a hotly debated topic, yet one fact is still irrefutable; oil blow-by will always be a real byproduct of the modern direct-injection engine. Intakes, charge pipes, and turbos all come into contact with the stuff over time. Sometimes, even newer, low mileage vehicles develop blow-by issues. With direct injection, fuel is injected directly into the cylinders, eventually resulting in carbon buildup on the valves. This was not an issue with port injection, since fuel injectors were placed in the intake manifold. The air-fuel mixture is sprayed directly on the valves, essentially cleaning them each time an injector fired.

Carbon and oil buildup in direct-injection engines can negatively impact vital engine components and can result in an expensive fix later down the road. I can go into long, excruciatingly deep detail about the dangers of blow-by, but I’ve given you the basics of what you should know. For more information, I strongly suggest that you take a look at our technical article that goes into the nitty-gritty of blow-by.

Modern engines incorporate crankcase ventilation (CCV) systems that are designed to handle blow-by better than older cars; but the most effective way to combat this is with the use of a catch can, and that is where Mishimoto comes in. Our newest catch can project brings us under the hood of a Volkswagen Golf MK7.



This 2016 Golf was lent to us by our Director of Content. People who generously lend their cars to us make projects like these more convenient for everyone involved. As you can see, he has our intake, which was released earlier this year. This intake makes of up to 12whp! Okay Diamaan, enough with the product plugs, let’s get into this.





Let’s start with the positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) hose, pictured above. We need to remove this from the system to examine it and plan on how we want to route our catch can lines. This hose was tricky to remove from the turbo inlet. If you look closely at the images below, there are no visible snap-on connections for this hose, it was designed to just twist it off, which is much easier said than done.





After disconnecting the PCV hose from the turbo-inlet, we found that at the other end of the hose has a special attachment to the valve cover of the engine. In the pictures below you can see that the hose attaches to the valve cover with a single bolt and is sealed by an o-ring.





Once everything was clear, we took a step back to assess the situation. Replacing this hose with our own will be tough to do because the attachments are not designed to be easily removed and reattached, so our engineer will get creative with how these lines will be made. We also noticed a considerable amount of oil surrounding the compressor housing of the turbo. This Golf has only around 10,000 miles on it, so seeing oil on such a vital part of the engine and so early in this Golf’s life was a little surprising. I wouldn’t want oil anywhere near my turbocharger’s compressor (if I had one!).





What’s Next?

I think we have a location planned for where in the bay we want to put this can. There is a lot of unused space right in front of the coolant expansion tank, so our engineer’s sights are set on that area. We are going to do something pretty cool with how we design this catch can. It involves a robotic arm and lasers. Stay tuned!


Lasers, man!

-Diamaan
 
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Mishimoto1

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We Struck Oil: Volkswagen MK7 GTI Oil Catch Can R&D, Part 2: The Mock-Up

Are you a nerd for up-and-coming tech? I am. Technology is awesome. Let’s just start there. It’s wild to think that we are approaching the 10-year anniversary of the iPhone’s first introduction (June 29, 2007, per the all-knowing Wikipedia). As we enter 2017, autonomous vehicles are gaining mainstream traction, rockets can (sort of) land themselves intact, human head transplants will become a thing, and we can now “like” Instagram comments. What a time to be alive. Mishimoto is fully embracing the exponential upward curve of this tech advancement.

Our direct-fit catch can kits are quickly becoming some of the best on the market, so I must say, we are getting good at this. It’s all due to our incredibly talented engineering team, state-of-the-art tools and tech, and our non-stop drive to bring you the best products for your ride. The story is no different here with our MK7 GTI catch can project. We are making great progress, so I figured I’d let you guys in on the status since these catch can projects tend to move fast.

In this update, we will discuss how we will make our visions become reality using the awesome tools we have at our disposal. As producers of aftermarket automotive parts, we live in a time where we need to keep up with the proverbial Joneses. That means we will always find a use for tools that provide us with a faster and more accurate engineering design process. Enter: our FARO Design ScanArm.



Usually, when we design prototype brackets, our engineers will take measurements of tolerances and clearances in the area around where the bracket needs to fit. Sometimes, they’ll even resort to shaping a special type of cardboard or foam to form the prototype design for test fitting. Those days are over.

We now have a nifty tool that can literally scan things into a downloadable, digital wireframe of the actual object or space. It uses a laser gun attached to a moveable robotic arm, which “paints” the space in which we want to design. It’s like using a spray gun that acts like the scanner found in the always-breaking office printer – but this one doesn’t break, and it scans car parts. For each pass made along the area, that image, or scan, gets uploaded through the robotic arm and into a computer, in real time. The result is a digital file that can be uploaded to any computer and then manipulated and used to design anything within the design program’s parameters (we use a design suite called SolidWorks®). We went into much more depth about how this tool works in one of our earlier technical articles.





Our engineers sometimes have access to files like these before the project even starts, but they aren’t too common or even easy to get. Using this robotic arm makes the initial design phase much easier, as the spaces in which we start designing parts become more complex and challenging.



The above image shows an example of what the arm scans. Neat, right? Our engineers can take this file from the computer in the garage to their desks and then start playing around with some designs. We don’t have to worry about any inaccuracies here. If the process is done correctly, there is very little, if any, difference between what is scanned versus the real thing.



Now that we’ve gathered the necessary data, it’s time to design. The above image shows what this design looks like in real time while it is being worked on. I had to awkwardly creep around our engineer’s desk to get this shot but I think it was worth it. We are just a hop, skip and a jump away from something we can put on the car, so on to the next cutting-edge tool. To fabricate this bracket, our lead fabricator uses a waterjet. The waterjet shoots a mixture of water and abrasive at over 60,000 psi at metal sheets to cut out whatever shape the designer uploads into the computer. It is then bent to the desired specifications and is ready to go!



The next thing to figure out is routing. This takes a bit of time, but the routing of these lines will be important because they’ll need to extend across nearly the entire engine bay. We have tons of hoses in different diameters and lengths for testing, but the task here is to find the optimal combination of those two dimensions. Trust me, it looks easier said than done. We have an idea of how this will work, but testing of this prototype is required before we can just package it up and sell it.






What’s Next?

Next, we will go through how we intend to finalize the routing of this kit. The working prototype is currently on our test vehicle and we are putting miles on the prototype so we can see the type of content this catch can collects. We will also walk through how we will adapt these lines to the existing ports. Who knows, we may even have a fully finished prototype that can go right into production by then! Thanks for reading, and stay tuned!

-Diamaan
 

SouthbayMK7

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Will you still be able to keep the engine cover on top of the valve cover? I see most catch cans run the lines over so u have to take the cover off.
 

greggles

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Will there be a way to see how full the catch can is without removing it? A way to drain it without removing it?
 

GLoBaLReBeL

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Interested in this, and hoping for once there will be a cost effective option for a catch can. (These $300+ systems are seriously too much for a catch can setup.)
 

Mishimoto1

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Show me the intake valves on a stock engine after 50,000 miles that hasn't been tracked.

Unfortunately we don't have any images of that for this application, but it would be interesting to see!

Will you still be able to keep the engine cover on top of the valve cover? I see most catch cans run the lines over so u have to take the cover off.

With the current setup on our test car, we retained the use of the engine cover.

Will there be a way to see how full the catch can is without removing it? A way to drain it without removing it?

As of now, we do not have a way for you to determine the amount of oil inside the can. Making these cans as easily accessible as possible for you, the end user, is a priority. Rest-assured, they will be easy to reach to unscrew and drain - a process that should only take seconds!

However, we do sell petcock drain kits that adapt specifically to our catch cans, allowing you to drain the oil out of the can without physically removing the can. Hope that helps!

Interested in this, and hoping for once there will be a cost effective option for a catch can. (These $300+ systems are seriously too much for a catch can setup.)

Stay tuned for more!
 
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SouthbayMK7

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As of now, we do not have a way for you to determine the amount of oil inside the can. Making these cans as easily accessible as possible for you, the end user, is a priority. Rest-assured, they will be easy to reach to unscrew and drain - a process that should only take seconds!

Any plans in making one with a sight glass to see the amount inside?
 

0bLiViOuS

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I don't know if it was said, but does this keep the stock PCV system or replace it with an adapter?
 

Euro Tech

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I am really not sold on catch cans, I feel like the engineers know best when it comes to something like this. Modern PCV systems are very efficient, I feel that most people see the condensation in their catch can and see it as liquid waste that would have otherwise been harmful.
 

2slowvw

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I could not tell if they plan on using the pcv in line or not. They really need to though.

Also I really doubt the hose lines are going to look like that,I think that is temporarily while testing.
 

Mishimoto1

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Any plans in making one with a sight glass to see the amount inside?

Right now we don't have plans to make this catch can include that feature. Our cans are extremely well designed and with the user in mind. For direct fit applications such as this one, we always prioritize the ease in draining the content. We have looked into possible design options surrounding what you've suggested, but we aren't quite there yet. If there is enough interest, it's something we can look into later on down the road. Hope this helps!

I was liking it but I really hope that's not how the hoses are going to be coming off the can. If so I'm out. Looks horrible.

I appreciate the input! We want for you to be able to retain use of the engine cover, which makes the routing important, plus the space in which we plan to anchor the can is optimal due to how much room is available. What are your thoughts on how you'd rather it look? Anyone else, feel free to chime in!

I don't know if it was said, but does this keep the stock PCV system or replace it with an adapter?

I could not tell if they plan on using the pcv in line or not. They really need to though.

Also I really doubt the hose lines are going to look like that,I think that is temporarily while testing.

Right now, we are working through options for how we are going to handle that part. For testing, we created our own adapter of sorts just to make the can work so we can get some mileage on the setup. In our next update, we will solidify our plans for how we want to go about it.

What would you guys rather see, an in-line system or a replacement with an adapter? I'd appreciate the feedback!

I am really not sold on catch cans, I feel like the engineers know best when it comes to something like this. Modern PCV systems are very efficient, I feel that most people see the condensation in their catch can and see it as liquid waste that would have otherwise been harmful.

Catch cans are still a debated topic, you're not wrong there! Modern PCV systems are indeed efficient, but there is always room for improvement. Our catch cans in no way prohibit the performance of a car, they can really only help by keeping unwanted oil out of your intake tract - and in the case of this application, out of the compressor housing. You certainly get condensation in colder weather situations, but when it's something mixed in with oil and fuel, it can't hurt to keep that out of the system - at least I wouldn't mind it!

We have a very in-depth article outlining the dangers of oil blow-by on our Engineering Blog, so I'd suggest giving that a read when you get a chance to get our take on the subject. Hope this helps!
 

greggles

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What would you guys rather see, an in-line system or a replacement with an adapter?

In-line. All the replacement pcv systems have excessive buildup due to replacing a well designed system.

We generally see little to no accumulation in in-line setups, and large amounts of accumulation in replacement setups. (because now the gases aren't being recycled back into the engine as with the stock system).
 

Deviation01

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St. Louis
I stand by "Catch cans for todays engines are made for profit" saying. Back in the day catch cans did work, today I am not so sure if they provide any benefit. Yes this is my opinion. I might be 100% wrong.
 
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